Troops With Mountaineering and Assaults

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  • September 5, 2019 at 5:37 pm #167995
    Mark Prichard
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    Mountaineering allows a squad to treat rough terrain as clear terrain. So when assaulting mountaineering would allow a charge through intervening rough terrain at the regular run rate but does it also cancel the target units defensive position if the unit is in rough terrain thus allowing the Mountain troops to attack first and not simultaneous?

    September 5, 2019 at 6:00 pm #167996
    Eric T Holmes
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    Mark: I can’t seem to find the reference for this rule, considering I have a pretty long list of “special rules” and “national rules” written up. I might have missed this one. Roll sixes! Eric

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    September 5, 2019 at 6:09 pm #167998
    Mark Prichard
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    Eric,

    I don’t have my book with me so I will look at it tonight and get the reference. I do know it is referenced in the Duel in the Sun supplement for French North African troops as well a French Camel corp I just don’t know what page. Also it is part of the selection on Easy Army for the Free French Brigade, North African troops have Mountaneers which allows: “This unit may treat all rough ground as open ground”.

    Mark

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    September 6, 2019 at 3:11 am #168010
    Stuart Harrison
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    From a 2015 article:

    SPECIAL RULES – MOUNTAINEERS
    All infantry units in this list, and the Mule team (even when ‘towing’ artillery), treat all rough ground as open ground. The players should discuss and agree before the game if the gaming table includes some terrain that they think this rule should not apply to, like water features and other terrain elements that obviously mountain troops would have no advantage in crossing.

    Rules: French Mountain Troops

    Also appears p122, Campaign, Battle of the Bulge referring back to the above article.

    September 6, 2019 at 8:15 am #168015
    invisible officer
    Participant

    Not to forget that mountain troops rule cost 1pt per man , like on p. 106/107 of the Bulge book.

    September 11, 2019 at 11:16 pm #168352
    Mark Prichard
    Participant

    Yes, Stuart. But does that ability cancel the defensive position rule for assaults where the defending unit is in terrain?

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    September 12, 2019 at 1:47 am #168354
    Stuart Harrison
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    Why wouldn’t it?

    As far as that unit is concerned, the terrain they assaulted over is open, not rough ground, and their movement hasn’t been reduced. The conditions for defensive terrain to kick in haven’t been met.

    That’s why it’s important to discuss what terrain they will treat as open and what will still impede them before you start the game.

    September 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm #168805
    Mark Prichard
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    No I get the necessary discussion about terrain. I put the same question up on reddit and got the opposite answer. That intervening terrain would be treated as clear but the terrain that the unit is in would still be considered for defensive position.

    I actually agree with you because Bolt Action does have a bit of rock, paper, scissor about it and it seems that his skill would trump terrain period. However. it is always a point of contention so I was hoping to get clarification.

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