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Hi Nat
Ditto. From a non-Faecebook user – thanks for the info, and it is great to see some momentum for this great game and line of supporting models.
However, I am not seeing the ‘better pic of the 2nd rate’ or those for the ‘modern’ merchants: is that just me (over a Safari browser)?
I asked directly on the Hold Fast announcement page, but must have missed the time window within which Warlord respond. I heard that the Santa Ana is mentioned in the supplement: will there be a dedicated model for her (and her sisters) or do we need to use a generic Spanish 1st rate? Curious as we have two dedicated models for British 1st rates but only one for the Spanish, who had some lovely ships (including the highly prized 80-gun 3rd rates).
Cheers
—Bob
I do not see any Spanish bashing here. Nobody is bashing Spain because it is Spain, they are simply stating the historical record which was that, over the period of this game, the Spanish navy was a shadow of its former self and performed very poorly. I would add that this also applies to the domestic Army, but NOT to the colonial army which by all accounts performed well, e.g. during the US Revolutionary War and in defending their colonies against the Brits, e.g. in Argentina. Spain attempted to restore the fleet during the 1700s and built excellent ships, which were highly prized by the RN when they captured them; but their economic state and lack of sea time (hence experience and confidence) put them at a massive disadvantage even before a battle began. I think Ticio summarised this very simply and very well in the post at the bottom of page 1.
The original poster was quite rightly, and through the use of evidence, querying the choice of Spanish admirals in Black Seas, pointing out the mis-spelling of the Santísima Trinidad, and querying the malus assigned to Spanish ships, leading to asking who would want to play them. That was answered further down by having bigger ships etc. and I will personally play the Spanish without hesitation. If I think the malus is unjustified in a particular (but likely rare) case I will not use it.
Unfortunately, Fernando jumped in saying that the Spanish faction is unbalanced, and citing a completely ridiculous case as ‘evidence’. You joined the party by quoting a siege, which also does not prove anything beyond the fact that European troops serving in the tropics tended to be decimated by disease. If you think I am bashing Spain, I am truly not: I am just bashing you two 🙂 (And I mean that lightheartedly, so please smile).
Nobody can doubt that Spain three centuries before was THE preeminent land and naval power due to superior training, innovation, leadership, experience and confidence; but, during the period covered by the game, the Spanish Navy (and domestic army) was in very poor state due precisely to the loss of those qualities
Cheers
—Bob
@vetrarbreytin Sure Black Seas has islands, batteries and Martello towers. But it does not represent the land forces that did 99.9% of the fighting at Cartagena – you’d need Black Powder or some equivalent for that. But dude, if you fundamentally believe the Spanish are misrepresented in the Black Seas rules, simply adjust them to your taste and enjoy the game! That is, after all, the whole and only point 🙂
I’m sorry, but you are joking aren’t you? Yes it was economically a great win, but militarily not: I am sure you can easily replicate that victory (if you have enough ship models), given that the only British warships present (one first rate and two frigates) had already sailed away (with 8 of the merchantmen), so the fleet engaged by the Spanish only consisted of merchants (and Indiamen are just merchants, albeit powerful ones). It doesn’t sound like there was a battle anyway: just a few shots fired before the Brits realised they had no hope. Even if the 3 warships had stayed, the Spanish would win the game easily, with 31 ships of the line and 6 frigates, according to that article!!
Don’t get me wrong, I am a big fan of the Spanish – my wife is Ecuadorean, surname Fernández de Córdova, so you might guess her heritage 🙂 – and the Spanish did win their share of battles, but this is a very poor example!
Saludos
—Bob
Where is the news about this?
I appreciate that every plane under the sun is available in 1/72, but I really hope that Warlord are not going to discontinue their line of aircraft as I really like them, and have no appetite to start building 1/72 planes for this system. In any case I would have thought going to a larger scale would lose that ‘mass’ effect, which is what drew me into the game in the first place.
