6 pdr guns on HMS Sophie

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  • October 15, 2019 at 4:34 pm #169915
    MGM
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    HMS Sophie is a 14 gun brig armed with 6pdrs.
    I have it in mind to use the stats for light guns rather than the 2H listed in the rule book for brigs. Any thoughts ?

    October 15, 2019 at 5:05 pm #169917
    Lincolnlog
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    There were a crapper load of ships that just don’t match the Fleet List.

    It appears, and this is totally a guess on my part, guns 12 Pounds and smaller are Light, and 18 Pounds and larger are Heavy. Brigs were often no more heavily armed than sloops.

    Many French ships didn’t have Obusier (their version of carronades). I’m playing with values on my ship custom ship cards.

    October 15, 2019 at 5:19 pm #169920
    invisible officer
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    Hmmm, a HMS Sophie 14 gun brig armed with 6pdrs???

    RN had 1688 – 1860 only 3 ships of that name.
    A Cruiser Cass brig with 2x pdr and 16 x 32 pdr Carronades , 1809 – 25
    A ship Sloop that was a former French privateer, taken 1798 by HMS Endymion and sold 1809, armed with 2x 6pdr and 16 24 pdr Carrobades.

    And the French merchant La Sophie, taken 1782 , sold 1784, armed with 9pdr cannon.

    Is it a creation of your own??? What is totally OK.

    October 15, 2019 at 6:54 pm #169931
    Lincolnlog
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    I’m at work so I only have Three Decks as a reference, but I see 2 unrated HMS Sophie both Sloops, one 18 guns the other 16 guns. I have to assume InvisibleOfficer is using the same source since the guns types match.

    October 16, 2019 at 8:51 am #169938
    invisible officer
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    No. 😉
    I used paper, Lyon, Sailing Navy List, All the ships of the Royal Navy – Built, Purchased and Captured 1688 – 1866.

    A 99% complete work.

    There are some Sophias with a, but none a 14 gun.

    I GUESS that MGM Sophie is named in honour of a “she”.
    Like one of my merchants.

    October 16, 2019 at 12:57 pm #169975
    Lincolnlog
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    Nice, need to get that reference. I use British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793-1817 at home. A little heavy to carry in to work. 😉

    October 16, 2019 at 1:54 pm #169981
    MGM
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    Re: HMS Sophie……. see “Master & Commander” by Patrick O’Brien (!)

    October 16, 2019 at 7:11 pm #170004
    invisible officer
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    Hmm, O Briens novel Sophie is a Quarterdeck Sloop. No flushdeck one.

    A Fantasy vessel invented, based on Chochrane’s HMS Speedy of 14 guns. 4 pdr guns ! With 12 swivels. And it was a flushdeck vessel.

    Warlord Brigs……..

    I found O´Brien entertaining but he made a lot of mistakes. Strangely few critics noticed them.

    October 18, 2019 at 10:44 am #170093
    Steve Burt
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    Most brigs had either light guns (9pdr or 6pdr) or carronades.
    I don’t know why the default brig in the game has heavy cannons, since I’m not aware of any historical examples of Brigs armed with heavy cannon.
    I’t easy enough to make up ship cards with Brigs armed with 2L or 2C.
    The question is, what should the point value be for a brig armed with 2L per side, or with 2C, instead of heavy cannon?

    Looking at the ship points, I’d say a 2L armed brig should be 20 points less (so 60 points instead of 80), but what about 2C? Maybe 70 points?

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