Heavy weapons at long range and pinning

[wAbout]

On long range heavy weapons (except its shape charge) gets -1 pen against armoured targets. If HMG (+1 pen) is shooting at inexperienced armoured car (DV 7+) at long range, pen value reduced to 0, but does HMG shot still count as heavy weapon in regarding able to still pin that vehicle? Regular and veteran vehicles cannot be pinned, since maximum penetration roll is 6 (pen 0), thus not able to match 7+ DV.

INEXPERIENCED VEHICLES
Fully enclosed inexperienced vehicles receive a pin marker
every time they are hit by an enemy unit firing a heavy
weapon (or any other attack that has a Pen value of at least
+1), regardless of whether the hit can actually damage the
vehicle or not.

• This topic was modified 8 months, 4 weeks ago by wAbout.

[Nat]

Is it a heavy weapon – yes
Does the base Pen change – NO! (The only thing that I’m aware of in the whole game that changes a base pen value is a german MG rule in one of the DDay selectors)
Does the heavy weapon have additional modifiers that apply to the Damage calculation- yes

It even says – Regardless of if the hit can damage it!

So the HMG is ALWAYS a heavy weapon and can ALWAYS pin an inexperianced vehicle.

• This reply was modified 8 months, 4 weeks ago by Nat.

[SteveT]

The weapons chart at the back of the rule book lists HMG under Heavy Weapons, and not Small Arms.

As far as I understand, a HMG at its long range is a penetration 0 weapon vs the front of armoured targets and would not qualify for pins.

Hmm this is far from clear from the rules as written. See what Stuart says when he finds this.

• This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by SteveT.

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