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September 13, 2018 at 7:20 am #146613CorsoParticipant
Thanks all for the feedback.
@Charge the guns – commanded shot is a good idea. Seems either them or cavalry
September 16, 2018 at 6:42 am #146753TAXParticipantFantastic! Really well done!
//TAXOctober 26, 2018 at 3:24 pm #149195CorsoParticipantAnother regiment done – the mercenary ‘blue’ regiment.
The mercenary blue regiment, composed of veterans of many years of service, did wear blue uniforms – according to catholic eyewitnesses at Breitenfeld and Lutzen. It was a strong regiment and was brigaded on its own. At Lutzen, the regiment was mistaken, by many, to have attacked the imperialists in place of the shattered swedish brigade. However, the swedish brigade also seem to have had, in part, blue uniforms, so it could have been a mistaken identity. Besides, it would have been more likely for Knyphausen, commanding the centre, would use a reserve brigade to fill that gap instead of taking a regiment fighting in the front line and leave a wider gap in the centre.
It seems the blue regiment attacked Matthias Kerhaus’ imperialist regiment, also composed of veterans, but was in turn attacked from the flank by Otto Heinrich von Westfahlen’s harquebusier cavalry regiment. Westfahlen’s regiment was raised in 1632 and consisted of about 150 men. Would they have been enough to cause the rout? In my opinion yes, if the blue regiment was already engaged in combat and the harquebusiers well-led. And that seems was the case.
The blue regiment’s commander Winckel was wounded and the brigade retreated. According to recent studies, out of a complement of 918 men, only 331 remained fit for combat – the rest were killed, wounded or captured. The casualties were 88% of the pikemen and 42% of the musketeers – this may be interpreted as the pikemen covering the musketeers’ retreat or the musketeers, being unarmoured, could run away faster than their armoured comrades. The remnants stayed in reserve until the end of the battle, no longer taking active part.
The models are all warlord games.
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October 26, 2018 at 4:40 pm #149201Rough RiderParticipantNicely done Corso- a handsome unit- and great history too.
October 27, 2018 at 9:52 am #149211Charge The GunsParticipantA fabulous unit Corso! Looks very good. By lucky chance I’m also modelling this unit at the moment. I’m really interested in the colours being carried. In Brezinski’s Osprey Men-at-Arms on the Swedish infantry it shows a set of Blue Colours with white devices, suggesting these are ‘probably’ for the Old Blue regiment. In his Osprey Lutzen Campaign book it shows the Old Blue regiment (being attacked by horse) with yellow devices on their colours.
I have a lovely set of colours from Flags of War which have white devices. Easy to change to yellow, I guess. Just wondered if you’d looked at this aspect?
I have my Blue Regiment Pikemen figures fighting off horse, and I have used the Warlord metal ‘storming party’ musketeers to have them getting stuck-in.
October 27, 2018 at 11:23 am #149213invisible officerParticipantLovely unit. And a good history.
I did my own Warlord blue regiment years ago.
The colors of the flags of the old blue mercenary brigade / regiment at Lützen are not as well documented as modern paintings or 28mm flag makers seem to indicate. The only contemporary source are the watercolors by Benedictine Reginbaldus Möhner.
To use the Lützen campaign 68 book painting by Graham Turner as source is not ideal because he looked at the Möhner watercolor painting without questioning the modern look of the faded page. Today it looks light yellow but that can be just aging. So the statements on p. 72 must be taken cum grano salis.
The MAA 235 (showing them white) even includes a discussion about the question raised that they might be from the Swedish young regiment. The 10 flags are not enough for the 12 company old unit but too many for the standard 8 company Swedish OOB. So it is up to the individual to decide. Two companies absent from the old or two additional raised ones in the new? Both is possible.
Möhner saw the flags 6 months before Lützen. They looked very tattered. A long campaign would have left even less in November. It is even possible that some replacements might have been made.
Before 1634 Möhner painted a new flag that replaced the rags lost at Lützen. That clearly combines white and yellow on blue. But the white parts are yellowish today. The yellow parts just being more intense.
Möhner showed other units whith white and yellow like the “Weißes Leibregiment zu Pferd” made from German Cuirassier mercenaries. There the white looks much like the “yellow” of the old blue regiment.
So no need to repaint the flags from white to yellow. Only if one likes to do.
The old blue regiment survived until 1650 but surely did not carry the flags for some 15 years without replacement. But for these we have no sources.
Reginbald Möhner got military experience, for example being a “Feldkaplan” of German troops in Spanish service. With Markgraf Leopold Wilhelm von Baden they served i the Netherlands 1651. He died 1672.
October 27, 2018 at 3:14 pm #149219CorsoParticipantWhat IO says is true – you can use the flags you have. I don’t doubt Mohner but painting fading has to be taken into account. Also I guess even prolonged campaigning would have turned white cloth into creamy-ivory colour and dark colours may have faded too. Examples of captured imperialist flags in the armee musuem in Stockholm show this – one in particular was a bavarian flag, white turned to dark bone and light blue into sea-green! Ok this process took about 400 years in a closed/protected environment, but exposed to the elements it would deteriorate fast.
I had the same dilemma about the Brzezinski books, opting for his latest interpretation of the flag, mainly because I saw it again in a recent german publication. But it’s not dogma.
Though also as IO said, campaigning left many flags in tatters – in fact at Lutzen a number of captured protestant flags were not deemed worthy to send them to the emperor as trophies.
So to be accurate I had to have the flags modelled as in tatters – but the aesthetic in me wants square flags out of the cloth making workshops! Mea culpa…….
Interesting information about Mohner’s past, IO – didn’t know he was a field chaplain.
A swedish commander next in line…….
November 2, 2018 at 12:11 pm #149561Charge The GunsParticipantSorry for the delay in replying, Corso and IO. Thank you both so much for the info. It seems either white or yellow for the symbols is possible. I like the idea of making the (very) bright white on the printed flags slightly duller. Perhaps I’ll add a light wash. I am also loathed to ‘tater’ the flags to the extent shown in the book. Perhaps a little weathering 🙂 . I have some more questions, but will start a separate thread so as not to hi-jack Corso’s lovely TYW thread.
November 2, 2018 at 5:35 pm #149579CorsoParticipantNo worries about hi-jacking my thread ctg – the tyw is an interesting topic!
Foot commander finished, my first Swede. Nils Brahe, Count of Visingborg. An able commander, he demonstrated courage and initiative in many occasions obtaining the rank of general in 1632 at the age of 28. At Lutzen he was wounded in the knee at the head of the yellow brigade. He died 15 days later from his wound.
The command stand is made from the metal miniatures of the swedish infantry box set. I painted the general in the same colours as his painting (though probably he wore different clothes miles away from the artists’ studio!). The flag does not represent the yellow regiment – yellow and black are the two main colours of the brahe family so I used the colours for the flag, since I like to give command stands a flag bearer.
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November 2, 2018 at 10:42 pm #149586Charge The GunsParticipantVery nice, Corso. I like the black and yellow from the Colour echoed on the drum as well.
It is sobering how, what seem like small wounds, were life threatening under 17th century medicine.
November 19, 2018 at 6:01 pm #150499CorsoParticipantAnother gun done, this time a leather cannon. Warlord’s kit is a beautiful one, so here it is!
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November 19, 2018 at 8:36 pm #150513Charge The GunsParticipantLovely work; great detail in the faces 🙂
November 22, 2018 at 3:24 pm #150705CorsoParticipantThanks CTG – they are very well sculpted so painting their faces isn’t difficult
December 24, 2018 at 10:45 am #152413CorsoParticipantThe first cavalry unit done – Ohm’s regiment. Originally raised in 1626 by Streiff, this german mercenary unit served the swedes until 1635, when they joined the French. In 1632 this unit was led by Johan Bernard von Ohm and at the battle of Lutzen it was in reserve, the only unit not engaged in combat. The reason they were chosen in that role is unknown.
I represented the unit as harquebusiers, though they may have been cuirassiers, or a mix of both. They’re not very well equipped. It seems that the front line units in the Swedish battle-array were better than the second-line, so my interpretation is that either Ohm’s regiment despite being a veteran unit had many new recruits or else there was friction between Ohm and the Swedish high command. Obviously it’s a big ?
The jacket colour is artistic license since there is no record on uniformity in mercenary cavalry units. However, there is evidence on the flag. Since plain white background usually represented the colonel’s company, the leader is Ohm himself (though I don’t know how he looked like). Other companies’ flags had a background of mid-blue and white.
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December 24, 2018 at 11:14 am #152418invisible officerParticipantLovely done!
Great looking horse unit.
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