Units on transport

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Nick

Participant

This happened recently. A transport with a squad in was hit and destroyed by both a panzerfaust and flamethrower coming from same unit. Questions: Does the hit unit for wounds (after d6) get hit by the penetration of the weapons or just their morale level? Would the unit if technically hit by flamer also need a flamer  morale test ?

Thanks ahead of time

To be precise, it is not the morale level but the troop quality (which only before the pins is equal to the morale level). During game morale can go down and up, but troop quality is the same.

Nat

Participant

No the unit is NOT hit by the weapon that hits the transport vehicle… they are hit by sharpnel and debris of the vehicle.   THis is why you dont get PEN bonus to the wound rolls.  Source is the FAQ…FEB2020 FAQ page 14, has about 3 questions that are relavent – you can get the faq from the warlord store (free ) …edit – ok on double checking its not in the FAQ!   Sure I read it somewhere……

I thought like you, but I went to review the rulebook and the FAQ, and I can’t find any indications about it, and now I have a doubt.
The rulebook says “If a transport vehicle is destroyed, each unit onboard suffers D6 hits – roll this number of hits against each unit, apply damage and remove casualties as normal.”

Rulebook say “apply damage and remove casualties as normal”, as normal so with penetration modifier? 🤔

[Nick]

This happened recently. A transport with a squad in was hit and destroyed by both a panzerfaust and flamethrower coming from same unit. Questions: Does the hit unit for wounds (after d6) get hit by the penetration of the weapons or just their morale level? Would the unit if technically hit by flamer also need a flamer  morale test ?

Thanks ahead of time

[Nick]

To be precise, it is not the morale level but the troop quality (which only before the pins is equal to the morale level). During game morale can go down and up, but troop quality is the same.

[Nat]

No the unit is NOT hit by the weapon that hits the transport vehicle… they are hit by sharpnel and debris of the vehicle.   THis is why you dont get PEN bonus to the wound rolls.  Source is the FAQ…FEB2020 FAQ page 14, has about 3 questions that are relavent – you can get the faq from the warlord store (free ) …edit – ok on double checking its not in the FAQ!   Sure I read it somewhere……

[Nick]

I thought like you, but I went to review the rulebook and the FAQ, and I can’t find any indications about it, and now I have a doubt.
The rulebook says “If a transport vehicle is destroyed, each unit onboard suffers D6 hits – roll this number of hits against each unit, apply damage and remove casualties as normal.”

Rulebook say “apply damage and remove casualties as normal”, as normal so with penetration modifier? 🤔

[Stuart Harrison]

The question and answer you’re looking for is under AoSU and is actually asking about body armour:

“Does the body armour bonus apply against hits suffered in close
combat? And what about against hits from a destroyed transport the
engineers were riding in?
Yes to both, as most damage in close combat is caused by small
arms, and damage from burning transports does not have a Pen
value and thus counts as small arms fire.”

Relevant bit being that damage from ‘burning transports’ does not have a pen value and thus counts as small arms fire.  No suggestion of it being dependent on what destroyed the transport, just a flat statement that it counts as small arms fire.

Re the second part of the question, “Would the unit if technically hit by flamer also need a flamer  morale test ?”. passengers aren’t hit by the unit shooting at the transport, technically or otherwise – they aren’t the target, aren’t hit by the weapon doing the damage, and the only thing the rules have flow through to the passengers is pins.

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